Oklahoma Cop Who Attacked Paramedic Won't Be Charged

If you don't dig the blogger's take on things, he still has a lot of standard media links (Tulsa newspaper, Associated Press, etc.):

http://www.ickypeople.com/2009/06/oklahoma-cop-who-attacked-paramedic.html

The vid that shows the cop with both of his hands around the EMT's neck seems pretty disturbing. And this was all because the ambulance passed the cop car ?????

Also, I bet the patient waiting inside really appreciated having to wait for the cop to get his power trip sated before they could be on their way.

Disturbing:

http://www.ickypeople.com/2009/06/oklahoma-cop-who-attacked-paramedic.html

:confused:
 

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If you don't dig the blogger's take on things, he still has a lot of standard media links (Tulsa newspaper, Associated Press, etc.):

http://www.ickypeople.com/2009/06/oklahoma-cop-who-attacked-paramedic.html

The vid that shows the cop with both of his hands around the EMT's neck seems pretty disturbing. And this was all because the ambulance passed the cop car ?????

Also, I bet the patient waiting inside really appreciated having to wait for the cop to get his power trip sated before they could be on their way.

Disturbing:

http://www.ickypeople.com/2009/06/oklahoma-cop-who-attacked-paramedic.html

:confused:

I posted this about 2 weeks ago, but it's still nice to see it again.
 
I'm sorry but I see this completely different. Maybe it's just a little law enforcement training...

About 1:30 into the YouTube video you see the State Trooper addressing the EMT (actually looks like the EMT in the pax side of the amulance). It is rather emphatic and authoritative, but last I checked, law enforcement officers are figures of authority in our society.

In fact, the EMT moves from the cab of the ambulance back to the patient area and past the State Trooper with no contact, only verbal exchange stating he was placing the EMT under arrest. Up to this point, the Trooper has exercised retraint in the use of physical or deadly force.

Next we see the EMT exit the patient compartment and basically get in the face of the two Troopers. The EMT is being confrontational. I don't know of a single LEO that WOULDN'T view that as a threat.

Folks, this right here was the turning point and what gave the Trooper the right to initiate the action he did.

Plain and simple, you don't get in a cops face, you don't run from the cops, you don't turn and face the cops with a random or unidentifable object in your hand. Basically, when a cop tells you to do something you do it. Of course there are personal safety tips -- do it in a public area, dealing with non-uniformed individuals who identify themselves as LEOs, etc.

As soon as the EMT got in his face though the Trooper had all the legal right he needed to subdue the guy. The size, demeanor, and proximity of the EMT created Ability, Opportunity, and Intent.

As soon as the Trooper begins to subdue the EMT with a standard wrist lock and arm bar to restrain him against the ambulance to cuff him, the EMT retaliates and RESISTS ARREST. In fact, he goes so far at to elboy the Trooper in the throat. A struggle ensues, and the officer, dealing with a sizeable threat, uses techniques he was trained with (yes Virginia, choke holds are part of that training) to eliminate the threat.

Finally, the "choke" the officer used hardly had any tension behind it, indicated by the capability of the EMT to basically stand normally, point for the camera to the Troopers hand, and then continue to speak.

Guess what, you also don't resist arrest. The Trooper exercised EXCELLENT restraint, even so far as to release any tension from the choke grip almost immediately. He controlled his adrenaline rush very well.

I don't give a shit if the EMT did or didn't commit a crime. There were plenty of witnesses and if he was on the up and up, he would have been cleared and we'd be talking about wrongful arrest, not "police brutality."

And lastly, let's get one thing real clear...the EMT got placed in a subduing choke hold because he RESISTED ARREST. NOT because he passed cop car. He may have been pulled over for that, but if he played his cards right, the choke hold never would have happened.

The EMT just got introduced to the responsibility for his actions.
 
I'm sorry but I see this completely different. Maybe it's just a little law enforcement training...

About 1:30 into the YouTube video you see the State Trooper addressing the EMT (actually looks like the EMT in the pax side of the amulance). It is rather emphatic and authoritative, but last I checked, law enforcement officers are figures of authority in our society.

In fact, the EMT moves from the cab of the ambulance back to the patient area and past the State Trooper with no contact, only verbal exchange stating he was placing the EMT under arrest. Up to this point, the Trooper has exercised retraint in the use of physical or deadly force.

Next we see the EMT exit the patient compartment and basically get in the face of the two Troopers. The EMT is being confrontational. I don't know of a single LEO that WOULDN'T view that as a threat.

Folks, this right here was the turning point and what gave the Trooper the right to initiate the action he did.

Plain and simple, you don't get in a cops face, you don't run from the cops, you don't turn and face the cops with a random or unidentifable object in your hand. Basically, when a cop tells you to do something you do it. Of course there are personal safety tips -- do it in a public area, dealing with non-uniformed individuals who identify themselves as LEOs, etc.

As soon as the EMT got in his face though the Trooper had all the legal right he needed to subdue the guy. The size, demeanor, and proximity of the EMT created Ability, Opportunity, and Intent.

As soon as the Trooper begins to subdue the EMT with a standard wrist lock and arm bar to restrain him against the ambulance to cuff him, the EMT retaliates and RESISTS ARREST. In fact, he goes so far at to elboy the Trooper in the throat. A struggle ensues, and the officer, dealing with a sizeable threat, uses techniques he was trained with (yes Virginia, choke holds are part of that training) to eliminate the threat.

Finally, the "choke" the officer used hardly had any tension behind it, indicated by the capability of the EMT to basically stand normally, point for the camera to the Troopers hand, and then continue to speak.

Guess what, you also don't resist arrest. The Trooper exercised EXCELLENT restraint, even so far as to release any tension from the choke grip almost immediately. He controlled his adrenaline rush very well.

I don't give a shit if the EMT did or didn't commit a crime. There were plenty of witnesses and if he was on the up and up, he would have been cleared and we'd be talking about wrongful arrest, not "police brutality."

And lastly, let's get one thing real clear...the EMT got placed in a subduing choke hold because he RESISTED ARREST. NOT because he passed cop car. He may have been pulled over for that, but if he played his cards right, the choke hold never would have happened.

The EMT just got introduced to the responsibility for his actions.

That is one of most ridiculous things I've ever read. You really got an excuse for all your powertrips, don't you? No reason or common sense whatsover.

"Ability, Opportunity, and Intent"? :1orglaugh What was the EMT supposed to do? "Oh sorry, officer, am I allowed to make a step towards you to thank you for probably killing my patient or will your highness feel provoced by that"? Me, as an EMT, I would have been fed up by this much earlier. They have a patient in the back and need to get to the hospital and they are detained because some police officer has to show his imaginary huge dick? Sorry, I can't say it enough, but this is so ridiculous, the word "ridiculous" is not strong enough to describe it.
Where I live, when a cop pulls a stunt like that (pulling over an ambulance just because he can, detaining the EMTs, threatening them with arrest, choking an EMT because the EMT gets pissed about it), he's gone, and gone for good. And nobody will shed a tear over him.
But you're still justifying this? It's the EMT's fault for "not playing his cards right"? Was he supposed to lick the officers boots so that mighty police man can feel good about having the biggest wiener in the neighborhood? What happened there is a display of completely arbitrary and random abuse of power. And there is no reason to these pseudo-justifications, no reason at all. I don't want to hear any American complain one more time about the authoritarian Chinese or Russian police or someting like that. They are at least honest about it. You just hide your inferiority complexes behind random bendable rules and regulations.
 
I'm sorry but I see this completely different. Maybe it's just a little law enforcement training...

About 1:30 into the YouTube video you see the State Trooper addressing the EMT (actually looks like the EMT in the pax side of the amulance). It is rather emphatic and authoritative, but last I checked, law enforcement officers are figures of authority in our society.

In fact, the EMT moves from the cab of the ambulance back to the patient area and past the State Trooper with no contact, only verbal exchange stating he was placing the EMT under arrest. Up to this point, the Trooper has exercised retraint in the use of physical or deadly force.

Next we see the EMT exit the patient compartment and basically get in the face of the two Troopers. The EMT is being confrontational. I don't know of a single LEO that WOULDN'T view that as a threat.

Folks, this right here was the turning point and what gave the Trooper the right to initiate the action he did.

Plain and simple, you don't get in a cops face, you don't run from the cops, you don't turn and face the cops with a random or unidentifable object in your hand. Basically, when a cop tells you to do something you do it. Of course there are personal safety tips -- do it in a public area, dealing with non-uniformed individuals who identify themselves as LEOs, etc.

As soon as the EMT got in his face though the Trooper had all the legal right he needed to subdue the guy. The size, demeanor, and proximity of the EMT created Ability, Opportunity, and Intent.

As soon as the Trooper begins to subdue the EMT with a standard wrist lock and arm bar to restrain him against the ambulance to cuff him, the EMT retaliates and RESISTS ARREST. In fact, he goes so far at to elboy the Trooper in the throat. A struggle ensues, and the officer, dealing with a sizeable threat, uses techniques he was trained with (yes Virginia, choke holds are part of that training) to eliminate the threat.

Finally, the "choke" the officer used hardly had any tension behind it, indicated by the capability of the EMT to basically stand normally, point for the camera to the Troopers hand, and then continue to speak.

Guess what, you also don't resist arrest. The Trooper exercised EXCELLENT restraint, even so far as to release any tension from the choke grip almost immediately. He controlled his adrenaline rush very well.

I don't give a shit if the EMT did or didn't commit a crime. There were plenty of witnesses and if he was on the up and up, he would have been cleared and we'd be talking about wrongful arrest, not "police brutality."

And lastly, let's get one thing real clear...the EMT got placed in a subduing choke hold because he RESISTED ARREST. NOT because he passed cop car. He may have been pulled over for that, but if he played his cards right, the choke hold never would have happened.

The EMT just got introduced to the responsibility for his actions.

All that said, you don't see a problem with the cop stopping an emergency vehicle with a patient just to scold the driver for passing him while his emergency flashers were on (probably on his way to get some bear claws before they ran out)??

Here's the major league rub I see. The cop is on an emergency call so much so that it's problem for the EMT to pass him but has the time to stop the EMT and cause a melee ??:confused:

Stupid ass cop has the judgment of a 2 year old. I wouldn't trust this idiot to be in charge of a box of marbles let alone a badge, firearm and patrol car.
 
I'm sorry but I see this completely different. Maybe it's just a little law enforcement training...

About 1:30 into the YouTube video you see the State Trooper addressing the EMT (actually looks like the EMT in the pax side of the amulance). It is rather emphatic and authoritative, but last I checked, law enforcement officers are figures of authority in our society.

In fact, the EMT moves from the cab of the ambulance back to the patient area and past the State Trooper with no contact, only verbal exchange stating he was placing the EMT under arrest. Up to this point, the Trooper has exercised retraint in the use of physical or deadly force.

Next we see the EMT exit the patient compartment and basically get in the face of the two Troopers. The EMT is being confrontational. I don't know of a single LEO that WOULDN'T view that as a threat.

Folks, this right here was the turning point and what gave the Trooper the right to initiate the action he did.

Plain and simple, you don't get in a cops face, you don't run from the cops, you don't turn and face the cops with a random or unidentifable object in your hand. Basically, when a cop tells you to do something you do it. Of course there are personal safety tips -- do it in a public area, dealing with non-uniformed individuals who identify themselves as LEOs, etc.

As soon as the EMT got in his face though the Trooper had all the legal right he needed to subdue the guy. The size, demeanor, and proximity of the EMT created Ability, Opportunity, and Intent.

As soon as the Trooper begins to subdue the EMT with a standard wrist lock and arm bar to restrain him against the ambulance to cuff him, the EMT retaliates and RESISTS ARREST. In fact, he goes so far at to elboy the Trooper in the throat. A struggle ensues, and the officer, dealing with a sizeable threat, uses techniques he was trained with (yes Virginia, choke holds are part of that training) to eliminate the threat.

Finally, the "choke" the officer used hardly had any tension behind it, indicated by the capability of the EMT to basically stand normally, point for the camera to the Troopers hand, and then continue to speak.

Guess what, you also don't resist arrest. The Trooper exercised EXCELLENT restraint, even so far as to release any tension from the choke grip almost immediately. He controlled his adrenaline rush very well.

I don't give a shit if the EMT did or didn't commit a crime. There were plenty of witnesses and if he was on the up and up, he would have been cleared and we'd be talking about wrongful arrest, not "police brutality."

And lastly, let's get one thing real clear...the EMT got placed in a subduing choke hold because he RESISTED ARREST. NOT because he passed cop car. He may have been pulled over for that, but if he played his cards right, the choke hold never would have happened.

The EMT just got introduced to the responsibility for his actions.

Hahahaha. That is the stupidest post I've ever read. You can't actually believe this. Can you?

Who cares if he was resisting arrest? He was trying to save someones life and got pulled over for it. How can you defend that?

Maybe it's just a little law enforcement training...
Oh so you're probably an asshole just like this cop than. :1orglaugh
 
We just have to come to the conclusion there is pretty much nothing that the police can't get away with in our society. Even when it looks really bad the government, prosecutors, their own department and the like will do everything in their power to stick up for them or try to get them off.

I also like how the cop said he had no idea that their was a patient in the ambulance. I don't know about anybody else but if an ambulance seems in a big hurry to get somewhere, that would be the very first thing I would assume as I think pretty much any rational thinking person would. That fact alone would indicate he’s highly incompetent, has an inability for critical thinking in a job where that’s very important, and should be immediately fired.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
That is one of most ridiculous things I've ever read. Sorry, I can't say it enough, but this is so ridiculous, the word "ridiculous" is not strong enough to describe it.

Furdiculous. Fucking + Ridiculous = Furdiculous.

Hope this helps.


Donkey Boy, if you honestly believe all of the nonsense you typed in your post, you clearly should NEVER be given the responsibility, EVER to be employed on any police force, or as a security guard in any capacity, under ANY circumstances, EVER!
 
Okay, let's try it this way. You guys go blowing past a police cruiser in your car. When he pulls you over, be sure to get in his face and then when attempts to cuff you, resist. Let's see how it turns out. Be sure to have a friend nearby to video it and who can post it on YouTube. :sleep:

Question: Why do you suppose the cop wasn't charged?
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Okay, let's try it this way. You guys go blowing past a police cruiser in your car. When he pulls you over, be sure to get in his face and then when attempts to cuff you, resist. Let's see how it turns out. Be sure to have a friend nearby to video it and who can post it on YouTube. :sleep:

Question: Why do you suppose the cop wasn't charged?

Big difference between me in my car, and a paramedic WITH a sick patient in transit. I suppose the cop wasn't charged because some asshole higher up on the force smoothed it over for him, to reduce the likelihood of a civil suite, or embarrassment to the police force in question. If I'm not mistaken, the family most likely will not be able to file a civil suite, if he hasn't been found guilty of a crime, or at the very least, they will have a very difficult time winning, if they can file a suite. So yeah, I doubt he wasn't charged because he didn't deserve to be charged.
 
Okay, let's try it this way. You guys go blowing past a police cruiser in your car. When he pulls you over, be sure to get in his face and then when attempts to cuff you, resist. Let's see how it turns out. Be sure to have a friend nearby to video it and who can post it on YouTube. :sleep:

Question: Why do you suppose the cop wasn't charged?

What did he think the Paramedics were doing? Joyriding?

Seems like all of the cops on that scene were on plain old power trips...

I wonder what he would have done if a fire truck failed to yield for his almighty patrol car? Waste their time berating the driver on the side of the road while life and property are in peril?

Assuming he hasn't had one, the last thing I'm going to do is stick someone who's just returned from a war into a patrol car with firearms until the guy has had and passed a full psych. eval. I mean, duhhhh!!!:confused:

They are potentially dangerous to themselves, their fellow officers and civilians IMO.
 
I don't give a shit if the EMT did or didn't commit a crime.

Wow. That's an interesting starting point...


Okay, let's try it this way. You guys go blowing past a police cruiser in your car. ...

"We guys" are not typically transporting people to the hospital.
That's what ambulances are for after all.
EMT stands for Emergency Medical Technician, which means there is an emergency involved. That is why they have the loud noise making thing and the funny lights (and are allowed to go through red lights).
Cars are supposed to pull over to let them pass, not pull them over to satisfy an ego trip.

I wonder if that police officer also pulls over fire trucks for speeding....:rolleyes:

Question: Why do you suppose the cop wasn't charged?

This cop stole marijuana from suspects, smoked it, thought he was dying, and called 911 (he thought he needed an ambulance).

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=3189748&postcount=23

Also no charges filed.

A former police officer explains part of the reason why...
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2861330&postcount=3
 
If this guy returns to duty I suspect he'll be in the news again at some point with all of these enablers around him.

The guy gets to detain an ambulance, berate it's driver, cause a melee while a patient lay (condition unknown) in the ambulance. For that he gets paid time off and likely a return to the job.:turnturn:
 
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